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JEREMY MAGGS: Let’s be sincere. There is way that wants fixing on this nation. It’s the explanation for this new podcast. Often in instances of adversity a rustic turns to one individual, a person who they hope will likely be that fixer, somebody who by way of sheer capacity with a sprinkling of charisma, a constructive ‘get things done’ angle, integrity and, I assume, some good luck thrown in for good measure, will make issues proper. These individuals are onerous to discover and largely are sophisticated and reluctant heroes.
Our subsequent visitor isn’t that individual. When requested just lately if he would run for president, he stated this: ‘I’m not desirous about politics. I’ve a non secular duty’.
Welcome to the Moneyweb podcast Fix SA. My title is Jeremy Maggs. Our visitors in coming weeks are going to be requested how we will make issues higher, how we enhance issues, how within the shortest house of time we will turn into a aggressive and profitable nation.
Imtiaz Sooliman, who began and oversees the Gift of the Givers organisation, defines civil society and the humanitarian position it ought to play. Speaking at the Daily Maverick’s current The Gathering convention, he stated, and I quote: ‘South Africa is not falling apart, but this doesn’t imply we don’t have challenges and difficulties.’ He went on to say there’s nothing we will’t repair. We’ve proved that in all the pieces we do in South Africa.
So how would Imtiaz Sooliman repair South Africa?
Imtiaz, a really heat welcome to this podcast. If we’re not damaged, as you counsel, we appear to be fairly battered. How close to breaking point do you suppose we’re?
IMTIAZ SOOLIMAN: No, we’re not close to breaking point at all. If we take the teachings from the previous and look at the resilience of all folks, sure, there’s numerous hope. People are scared, afraid, unsure. It has simply been a plethora of occasions in the previous couple of years that’s moulding that mindset, and the important thing to all that is to change the mindset.
If we return to 2019, we acquired hit by heavy floods. At the identical time, a cylone hit down in three totally different international locations.
Then got here Covid, which took an enormous toll, not solely economically. But it brought on extreme stress on psychological well being [from] which many individuals haven’t recovered. And in the event you add the difficulties of that type of disaster, it simply makes the scenario far worse than it really seems to be.
Then got here the civil unrest, which everyone thought was an riot. It actually wasn’t an riot, it was opportunists attempting to use folks as fodder to try to trigger some type of disturbance – which by no means had the affect they wished it to have.
And then lastly got here the floods of 2022, which reversed the negativity of 2021 as a result of those that had been looted then, through the floods, it caused a brand new social cohesion within the province itself.
[Then] got here the [increasing] gasoline worth, the rising rates of interest, the corruption in authorities, the issues in political events. People regarded at all of that and have become unfavorable. Again, I come again to the primary point. It’s about mindset change. In what determined scenario are we?
I clarify in a lot of my talks that I’m a catastrophe vacationer. I don’t do regular tourism. I am going to international locations the place folks in the identical road, the identical group, similar village, similar race, similar faith, neighbours for years, tear one another aside. That ache and that [desire for] revenge takes 300 years or extra to repair. And in reality we will by no means repair it.
To us the guiding mild concerning the high quality of our folks and their resilience is 27 April 1994, when the entire world’s media centered on South Africa and all of the [media] got here right here anticipating violence, bloodshed and dysfunction. People crammed their properties with meals, saved their passports prepared, saved all their precious gadgets prepared, prepared to go away the nation. It was essentially the most boring incident for the world media. Nothing occurred. Everybody stood in affected person queues – no friction, no dysfunction. And then nothing occurred.
Everything occurred. It set the template for the mindset of the people who we now have on this nation. Years of domination, detention with out trial, family members lacking, each type of injustice – they usually got here out and stated, we gained’t be vengeful.
They didn’t say it of their phrases, they stated of their actions. We gained’t be vengeful, there’s no revenge, we’ll construct a brand new society. And that’s the usual which we now have to go to – the truth that the nation didn’t burn aside or tear aside. To me nothing else issues.
We survived 2008, the worldwide monetary collapse, we survived rates of interest of 24%. We’ll survive far more. It’s about mindset change. The extra I converse and the extra talks I am going to and the extra folks I meet, they’re prepared for mindset change, and there’s just one massive requirement right here: take possession of the nation. The nation doesn’t belong to the federal government, it belongs to the folks of South Africa, and we’d like to take possession of it.
JEREMY MAGGS: Imtiaz Sooliman, you rightly say that so many South Africans are scared and afraid. I’d additionally counsel to you that the optimism of 1994 [was] a very long time in the past. How then will we begin to impact that mindset change that you’re speaking about for a lot of people who find themselves dwelling lives of absolute anger and despair?
IMTIAZ SOOLIMAN: One of the classes I had was with any person who stated, ‘The light bulb just went on; we need to turn anger into action’. That’s precisely what we’d like. We’ve been for years relegating the duty of the nation to the federal government. I repeat, the nation doesn’t belong to the federal government, it belongs to us, and we’d like energetic citizenry to do issues collectively. In the previous couple of months I’ve seen that in an effective way.
Let’s take the newest instance. We acquired referred to as by the hearth chief from Gqeberha saying: ‘There are huge problems with the fire. Our fire trucks can’t get to the hearth. Our fireplace fighters are exhausted. They want vitamin and water and different backup provides, however we’re not going to handle.’ We get full cooperation.
And that is one thing essential that the nation wants to perceive, that we’d like to do that collectively – authorities, corporates, the personal sector – for one function solely: to save the nation and to save the dignity of our folks; to save the dignity of our folks and to save all the pieces.
JEREMY MAGGS: You speak concerning the significance, Imtiaz, of energetic citizenry. Yet it appears to be so tough for South Africans to coalesce, to come collectively and to work as one, pulling in the identical route. Why can’t we do this?
IMTIAZ SOOLIMAN: We want that mindset change, and that is what it’s all about. Everywhere we’ve been we’re seeing that beginning to come to the floor.
People first want to know that when you’ve got unfavorable ideas and your thoughts is paralysed, your physique turns into paralysed. When you suppose nothing will be carried out. But if you change that narrative to say that all the pieces will be carried out now – the nation’s not burning, it’s not falling aside, we’re much better off than many individuals in lots of different components of the world – and in the event you use that as the idea, you all of a sudden see the sunshine bulbs go on.
The subsequent query is what can I do? How do I change this?
The change begins with your self. Be constructive. We want to perceive that everyone in authorities isn’t corrupt. Every cop isn’t a foul man. Every civil servant isn’t lazy.
So we now have that foundation, and lots of people do agree with that – and it’s a reality. If we harness that and work collectively, which we’ve been doing, what we did with the fires in Gqeberha and different components, Jagersfontein and different locations, you’ll see there’s a willingness to result in efficient change amongst CEOs of firms.
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Let’s return to one or two essential issues that occurred in 2020 when Covid got here.
For the primary time, CEOs of firms referred to as. Not the CSI [corporate social investment] division. The CEOs.
[They] stated: ‘Don’t fear concerning the 90% B-BBEE factors, don’t fear concerning the vaccination certificates, don’t fear about publicity. Just inform me what we’d like to do to save the nation and to save our folks.’
Now that’s an enormous mindset change. That’s a change bringing compassion into commercialisation.
In 2021, when the unrest got here, who had been the primary guys who phoned? The guys whose retailers had been burnt, [those whose] manufacturing amenities had been destroyed had been the primary guys to cellphone and say: ‘What can we do to effect change?’
The actual cherry on the highest for me was 11 April 2022, when the flood waters had been rising eight metres in 45 minutes. I used to be anticipating folks to name for a helicopter, for a ship, for divers, for earth-moving gear. None of the above. The solely calls we obtained had been from Corporate South Africa [at] 1:00am, asking: ‘How much do you need and what do you need?’
When you’ve got that type of dedication, it’s about saving the nation.
There’s a willingness to save the nation, and all of us want to purchase into the narrative.
JEREMY MAGGS: Are you completely satisfied that there’s a keen majority, then, who need to work collectively to change and sort things – or is it simply merely pockets of firms and people who really feel they’ve to do it?
IMTIAZ SOOLIMAN: No, no. It’s not about tokenism, it’s about realism, it’s about saving the nation. I maintain emphasising this. It’s about saving the nation. I used to be the visitor speaker at Agriculture SA they usually all stated we’d like to change the best way we function and the best way we do issues, and we’d like to incorporate folks and go [on] expertise and educate them.
The first step is realisation. The second step is to impact that realisation into sensible motion. Everything doesn’t occur in a single day, however so long as the method begins, it occurs.
The corporates are unbelievable. In the outdated days they might inform you, all proper, we’d like the B-BBEE factors. ‘We are going to go and help one preschool, give something here, something there’ – nothing actually concrete, nothing decisive. Now they get again to you and say: ‘You tell us. What will make the change? How much must we invest? What must we do? How can we make a difference? Can we bring our teams and the CEOs to be part of the process? Can we come and see?’
That was largely pushed by Covid as a result of a lot of them stated: ‘It’s solely now in any case these years of cash and affluence and richness we understood the ache of poor folks, as a result of we noticed what occurred to our personal workers. We want this variation.’ It’s the identical factor they instructed me with the floods in 2022 – that ‘We are staying awake at night to give you money because we’ve discovered from the ache of Covid’.
The final point is, for us, our company residents. We are within the lucky place of getting queues of corporates wanting to know the way they will work with us. We even have to give them a quantity, to say, ‘We can’t speak to you in the present day, we’ll speak to you in 10 days’ time’. And they [will] wait.
For the primary time ever in December we had been flooded with requests of ‘What do we do next?’
JEREMY MAGGS: You stated to me at the start of our dialog, Imtiaz Sooliman, that we’re not at breaking point, and I settle for that. But you’ll concede that the clock is ticking louder, that we’re operating out of time to, in your phrases, save the nation.
IMTIAZ SOOLIMAN: There’s completely little doubt. That’s why there’s an urgency to do what we’re doing. Because, let me stress once more, starvation gained’t trigger [the downfall of] the nation. People have been dying [in the] Eastern Cape for 10, 15 years – or for many years. They’re dying there proper now from starvation. Racism gained’t destroy us. We’ve had it for years. Class variations gained’t destroy us. We’ve had that for years.
What will destroy us is that if folks don’t have any dignity left.
When you don’t have any dignity and you might be completely humiliated, when there’s nothing, all the pieces’s misplaced and there’s nothing extra to lose, there aren’t any penalties for the quantity of unfavorable power that may come out from folks in that scenario. We want to forestall unfavorable power and to change unfavorable power into constructive power, and there are steps in [how] you are able to do that. There’s an entire blueprint: principally giving folks a top quality of life.
Here it have to be made very clear, as a result of individuals are sceptical, that it’s the federal government’s duty. Yes, it’s the federal government’s duty, that’s proper, it’s true.
You say ‘We pay taxes, we pay rates, we pay the fuel levy, we pay this debt and the other – but why is the government not delivering?’
The actuality is seven million folks’s taxes can’t take care of 65 million folks.
So whether or not it’s Australians, Germans, Canadians or Americans operating this nation, all of them are going to have the identical downside. They are going to inform me about state seize and losing of funds, that’s true. But despite seven million folks’s taxes, the tax base is just too [small] for such a excessive unemployment price, so [many] social challenges, the gasoline worth and inflation. It can’t handle.
And the federal government, we now have to maintain its hand at least for the subsequent 4 years till it places the techniques in place and we will impact that change: enhance the well being system, the schooling system, the learners with academic wants, assist them – there’s quite a lot of issues; an entire group by itself.
JEREMY MAGGS: Do you consider that authorities is keen to have its handheld, although?
IMTIAZ SOOLIMAN: Yes. Remember, in authorities itself, there are quite a lot of good folks. There’s one downside, or two issues. One is the great folks don’t all have the talents. They have the guts, the willingness to change. I’m in touch with them on a regular basis. They name us on a regular basis. People need to speak about how to make variations, what we’d like to change. The minister of police referred to as me just lately to converse to the SAPS in Cape Town. Other ministers interact us: ‘How do we fix the country? What do we do?’
And their largest obstacles are their techniques. Their techniques are an absolute catastrophe. Nobody can impact pressing adjustments or [meet] pressing wants successfully due to the techniques they’ve, and that’s one of many issues I’ve been [saying] to them: Change your techniques to make them extra pleasant, simple and accessible for efficient motion.
So to reply your query, sure, there’s willingness.
Let’s take one other instance proper now. The guys which can be most exhausted are the general public healthcare employees within the medical area. We’ve misplaced 1 800 medical doctors who died from Covid. The nurses are exhausted, posts have been reduce, registered posts been reduce. The backup surgical procedure, the catch-up surgical procedure is big. So it’s doubtless that for 5 to six years folks will likely be annoyed. They’re heartbroken. And these are public servants. They belong to the general public service.
They’re the identical folks to come up and say, we’ll work Saturday and Sunday, after hours. Give us the sources, give us the additional manpower; our folks need assistance, we are going to do the catch-up surgical procedure. And there are such a lot of requests like that.
So there’s a willingness amongst civil servants and politicians, the great ones, to repair the nation.
JEREMY MAGGS: You inform authorities it wants to change its techniques. What do you imply by that?
IMTIAZ SOOLIMAN: It declares a nationwide catastrophe, and it takes 9 months to act.
Government doesn’t perceive three phrases – urgency, emergency and catastrophe aren’t in its vocabulary.
When it comes to a catastrophe scenario, as one of many examples, a minister calls me in January and says, ‘Can you please help us with the floods in Mdantsane, East London? I’m embarrassed.’ Those are the phrases of the minister: ‘I’m embarrassed. I don’t know what to do. I can’t launch funds [for the] folks in want, and my techniques forestall me from serving to the folks instantly. Can you assist? Can you go there?’ I stated, ‘Minister, we are already there, we are already helping out’.
Another minister engages me and says, ‘What do you think about disaster preparedness?’ I stated: ‘It’s a catastrophe.’
And then she requested why. I stated: ‘There’s no clear chain of command. Which division is concerned? National, provincial, regional municipality, catastrophe administration, canine, defence drive? Who is it? You’ve acquired no clear chain of command. You have keen folks, sure, you’ve acquired nice personnel, the firefighters, the catastrophe guys. The guys are educated, keen to do what they’ve to do, however the techniques forestall them from doing it successfully and quickly.’ That’s one instance.
JEREMY MAGGS: Imtiaz Sooliman, you’ve painted an enormous canvas of issues on this nation. What’s the most important downside we face? What is preserving you awake at evening?
IMTIAZ SOOLIMAN: The factor that I’m most afraid of is folks shedding their dignity, after which we’re going to have an upheaval. We are racing towards time to take care of that – the starvation within the provinces, the medical care, the dearth of alternative for youngsters, the training issues, the psychological affect within the nation.
We don’t have sufficient psychologists and we’re not coaching sufficient, quick sufficient.
And the youth. We want the unemployed youth to be given constructive power.
A name is made to company South Africa to take in youth in all the assorted departments of your nation, and provides them a stipend. It doesn’t have to be a giant wage; a stipend will assist them maintain the households. We’ll eradicate tons of of hundreds of hungry folks with that stipend. But, greater than that, the stipend will deliver vanity.
The alternative to work will deliver dignity. Dignity will deliver positivity. And positivity will transfer unfavorable power into constructive power.
Every firm can afford to absorb a number of of those youths to give them that likelihood, as a result of after they come to a job, you say: ‘What is your experience?’ They don’t have any expertise. They don’t have a job.
JEREMY MAGGS: Where do you come up with the money for the stipend? Do you consider that it exists, each corporately and within the public sector?
IMTIAZ SOOLIMAN: [We] don’t want it from the general public sector. We want it from the corporates. The public sector is already overburdened. Seven million folks’s taxes can’t take care of some 65 million folks. It is not possible. [The public sector] can’t even pay medical doctors’ salaries. They can’t place interns. They’ve reduce registrar posts. So the cash is simply not there.
The personal sector is sitting with trillions of rands parked off, and we’d like to put that into service. It is that service that may change the nation and produce the positivity and an absence of crime and all the pieces.
JEREMY MAGGS: What then is your name to the personal sector? Are you telling them they’ve to dig deeper?
IMTIAZ SOOLIMAN: Well, it’s not a lot about digging deeper. It’s a tax write-off. I’m not speaking about R15 000 or R20 000. It’s going to be so simple as R2 000 to put folks in. The firms present their earnings, which run into hundreds of thousands of rands. Now, to take off one or two or three million additional from there, for which they’ll get a tax write-off as a result of it’s a wage, and it’s about expertise growth … You’ve acquired to improve the inhabitants. This will imply more cash within the nation, extra positivity, extra entrepreneurship.
The economic system will develop, the tax base will develop. We are all going to profit. Whatever occurs in a single small nook of South Africa impacts the entire nation.
So sure, there’s already dialogue. Let’s take for instance franchise retailers with 300 to 400 branches. Take one additional individual in to give them the talents and the stipend and an apprenticeship. We can do this with so many chain shops. We’ll see the knock-on impact in all of the households. It’s not not possible.
I’ve raised that challenge once more with a number of company firms and there’s a willingness to talk about that possibility.
JEREMY MAGGS: So how do you be certain that, then, that – if that’s a method of fixing South Africa – it really works, that we keep the course, that it’s carried out and managed correctly?
IMTIAZ SOOLIMAN: You do a number of issues at the identical time, and you place up initiatives which can be sensible, sensible and may work. There’s a dwelling instance of that. So what’s the dwelling factor? I’ll return to what we do. People are in want within the nation. They don’t have any water. We drill boreholes. Corporate South Africa comes and says, we agree, put boreholes in hospitals, put [them] within the colleges, put [them] within the communities.
Thanks to company South Africa, within the final two and a half years we’ve put in additional than 500 boreholes, 45 alone in Gqeberha to assist with Day Zero.
That’s a constructive instance the place corporates come and say that we now have affected the lives of hundreds of individuals every day from one borehole. We are making a distinction. From the identical borehole it’s hygiene; it’s consuming water; take the treatment; it’s water for agriculture, for vegetation and for crops.
The different one, the one which hasn’t been carried out but – [is something] which has to be examined and which we’re selling. The well being division has reduce the posts of registrars. Now, in the event you reduce registrar posts – registrars are these medical doctors who turn into specialists – it means we may have fewer specialists going ahead. And it means we may have fewer educated college students – going backwards, downwards – as a result of junior ones are educated by the registrar. That impacts the well being system, brings once more poor medical well being, poor caring for the sufferers, no decisive interventions when it comes to educational drugs. That’s a giant downside for the nation and also you’re going to have extra litigation and extra folks upset and extra folks dying.
So once more I’ve been talking to company South Africa. Let’s fund 500 registrars. Yes, it’s a authorities duty, that’s true, however there’s a funds disaster proper now. This [call is] not for the sake of the federal government; we’re doing it for the folks of our nation. [That’s] 500 registrars, R1.2 million every, which isn’t rather a lot for a company firm, and let’s do it over 4 years – R1.2 million a yr for 4 years – as a result of it takes 4 years for a man to qualify as a specialist.
But in these 4 years we are saying we’re providing you with sufficient registrars – which is just within the educational hospitals, in all of the disciplines – and also you’ve acquired 4 years. We’ll give it one name per week, not three calls per week, which suggests you’ve acquired extra time to research and extra time to educate, to go expertise [on] to the blokes beneath you, as a result of they’re going to be treating our grandchildren and great-grandchildren.
And then as soon as a month, as a part of that assist, you’re going to go to our rural hospitals. You’re going to switch expertise, you’re going to see sufferers. And if you’re certified as a marketing consultant, you’re going to spend 4 years in a public well being facility to assist the folks. That’s one other instance.
JEREMY MAGGS: If I’m listening to you appropriately, Imtiaz Sooliman, what I believe you’re saying is that there’s increasingly work for the personal sector. You’re saying to me that there’s a willingness for the personal sector to step in. By doing that, although, aren’t you merely rendering authorities completely irrelevant?
IMTIAZ SOOLIMAN: No. This factor can’t be carried out with out authorities. Government has its duty. They are paying for the hospitals, paying for the consumables, paying for the nurses, paying for the opposite medical doctors.
Where they’re operating quick is the place we are available in, and we inform them at the identical time – and naturally your guys job within the media, and the general public’s job, and the supporters of the totally different political events – what are you doing? What impacts cash?
That query has been raised tons of of instances. We simply create a panic scenario in authorities already.
So we’re saying, okay, we perceive you guys, cash disappeared. You give the contract to your grandfather, your girlfriend and your spouse, and all these sorts of issues occur. This has to cease.
Your job as authorities is to strengthen the oversight of parliament, the SIU [Special Investigating Unit], the Hawks – all the blokes who saved a verify on [the] books and the way to guarantee that cash is successfully managed. We within the personal sector, whereas holding your hand when you repair these techniques, put folks [with] ethics, spirituality, values in your system that may guarantee that the nation runs correctly.
Because we’d like to do that collectively, we’re providing you with 4 years, not 400 years.
You’ve acquired 4 years to repair the system, to strengthen Sars and all the pieces else required for the efficient functioning of our nation. We will maintain your hand and we’ll pay the salaries of the medical doctors and the lecturers that we’ve misplaced, and the special-needs lecturers that we’d like, and the psychologists – and I’ll be right here, there and in every single place. We repair potholes for ourselves.
JEREMY MAGGS: Of course your imaginative and prescient relies on authorities [actually] fixing the issue. But many would argue that it is just too entrenched, that authorities’s not going to impact the type of constructive change that you’re searching for within the subsequent 4 years.
IMTIAZ SOOLIMAN: Well, that’s their selection. They need to be in energy. The public is watching. They’ve acquired one-and-a-half years [before] the election, they usually have to pace up the method to see what occurs between now and April 2024. If they don’t toe the road, in the event that they don’t play the sport, there’s each likelihood they are often changed. Are they keen to threat that? This ought to be carried out not as a result of it’s a threat of shedding energy, however [because] it’s the fitting factor to do.
At the identical time, I’ve seen in several areas the place authorities has performed an exceptional position. Let’s take Jagersfontein when the mine tailings dam collapsed. I’ve by no means seen social growth workers so jacked up, so energised, so caring, counting all of the people who had been shifting from their properties, organising them on this and being very, very efficient.
JEREMY MAGGS: Effective as a result of it was a high-profile emergency that had international protection. My guess is that had it been one thing smaller that most likely wouldn’t have occurred. It’s as a result of the eyes of the world had been on them. They had no selection.
IMTIAZ SOOLIMAN: The KZN floods had been a lot larger, and the response was a complete catastrophe. They had been means behind time within the KZN floods, which was an order of 100 instances larger than Jagersfontein – they usually had been simply not organised.
It comes again to the identical point. There are pockets of individuals in authorities all through the nation, within the totally different provinces, who need to make issues occur. And as they’re taking place there’s increasingly buy-in from totally different sectors within the authorities area calling to say: ‘How do we work together and how do we change the system for the better?’ That’s going past civil servants, even to the politicians.
JEREMY MAGGS: Imtiaz Sooliman, I all the time ask the identical query to each visitor at the tip of this podcast. It’s a quite simple one as we glance in the direction of the longer term. When you might be speaking to your grandchildren or to your great-grandchildren in 20 years’ time, what are you going to inform them concerning the early 2020s in South Africa, and what’s their position as the longer term technology in constructing the nation, in holding the baton?
IMTIAZ SOOLIMAN: We had an incredible problem. I’ll inform them we had nice euphoria in 1994. Things went effectively. And within the course of we dropped the ball and we misplaced the best way. But our resilience and our willpower as a rustic helped us.
Even proper now all corporates are rethinking. After Covid, after the corruption points, additionally after the floods, everyone’s having a rethink. And the truth that we now have a rethink, that alone is constructive. And the rethink is about how to construct the nation.
So it’s to inform my grandchildren that you simply all the time have to be modern, and to bear in mind one essential precept and 4 essential factors. The one essential precept [for] you, my grandchildren, is to just be sure you perceive that, whoever does it, an atom’s weight of fine shall seed. It doesn’t matter how massive or how small, however you need to do one thing.
And secondly, as a part of your instructing, as your grandfather I’m telling you this:
Learn these 4 essential ideas: spirituality, morality, values and ethics.
Invite that into your soul and educate it to your youngsters, your grandchildren, and your loved ones.
If we do this we don’t want any policeman to monitor us. Our personal soul and our personal conscience will monitor us to do the fitting factor within the curiosity of the folks of our nation first. And in that course of we are going to profit.
JEREMY MAGGS: Imtiaz Sooliman says we’d like to take collective possession of the nation. And the options, he says, lie in South Africans standing collectively.
Imtiaz, thanks a lot for becoming a member of us on the FixSA podcast right here on Moneyweb.
I’m Jeremy Maggs, and thanks a lot for listening.
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